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[[Boss]] DS-1 Distortion. Including the [[ProCo]] [[Rat]], and the [[Electro Harmonix]] [[Big Muff Pi]], this pedal has become renown for having earned the hearts of not only aspiring rock stars, but also for well-seasoned studio musicians and celebrity professionals.
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[[Boss]] DS-1 Distortion. Including the [[ProCo]] [[Rat]], and the [[Electro Harmonix]] [[Big Muff Pi]], this pedal has become renown for having earned the hearts of not only aspiring rock stars, but also for well-seasoned studio musicians and professional artists.
  
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The Boss DS-1 has gone through a couple of incarnations: the older and more highly-esteemed Made-in-Japan model, and the less-valued post-Japan model. Candidly, we don't really hear much of a difference, if any at all. After listening to a shoot-out between new and old models, many actually hear the newer DS-1 as "thicker" or "meatier" and like it better than the vintage model.
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The Boss DS-1 has gone through a couple of incarnations: the older and more highly-esteemed Made-in-Japan model, and the less-valued post-Japan model. Candidly, we don't really hear much of a difference, if any at all. After listening to a shoot-out between new and old models, many actually hear the newer DS-1 as "thicker" or "meatier" and like it better than the vintage model. We have a convenient link below for you to listen yourself.
  
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We have an MIJ-version DS-1 - not because we were on the look-out for a Made-in-Japan DS-1, but because we spied one at Goodwill one day. It was practically mint condition and the right price so we decided, "why not?"
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We have an MIJ-version DS-1. Why do we have an MIJ DS-1? Not because we were on the look-out for one, but because one day we happened to see one at a Goodwill store. It was practically mint condition and the right price so we decided, "why not?"
  
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* '''Thermionic Studios has one(1) Boss black-label (Made-in-Japan) DS-1 available for rental.'''
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; Thermionic Studios has one(1) Boss black-label (Made-in-Japan) DS-1 available for rental.
  
 
==Controls==
 
==Controls==
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==Bypass: Buffered==
 
==Bypass: Buffered==
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The DS-1, like all Boss pedals, has a buffered, but high-quality bypass.
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The DS-1, like all Boss pedals, has a buffered bypass.
  
 
==General Information==
 
==General Information==
 
First offered for sale in 1978, the DS-1 Distortion was a follow-up to the Red-Yellow-Green pedal "marketing release" of the Boss SP-1 Spectrum (red), the OD-1 Overdrive (yellow), and the PH-1 Phaser (green).
 
First offered for sale in 1978, the DS-1 Distortion was a follow-up to the Red-Yellow-Green pedal "marketing release" of the Boss SP-1 Spectrum (red), the OD-1 Overdrive (yellow), and the PH-1 Phaser (green).
  
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Originally, it was well received and today continues to be a consistent seller for Boss.
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Originally, the DS-1 was well received and today it continues to be a consistent, if much cheaper, seller for Boss. By contrast, none of the originally-conceived red-yellow-green pedals are even made or sold any longer. The SP-1 was killed off; and the OD-1 and PH-1 have been re-imagined into new pedals by Boss.
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We have posted both versions of the schematics and the Owner's Manuals of the DS-1:
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* The Made-in-Japan version
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* The "Subsequent" version
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===Post-Japan Manufacturing===
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Once Boss stopped making pedals in Japan and transitioned over to manufacturing in Taiwan, the architecture of the electronics changed.  Most notably, a dual-opamp was used in place of the original single TA7136.  Of course, other changes were made in resistors and capacitors in the effort to make the pedal sound the same. We think Boss did a pretty good job.
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So, we're fairly agnostic with respect to the sound of a modern DS-1 as compared to a vintage DS-1. We don't hear much of a difference, if any at all. If we were forced to offer an opinion on which pedal sounds "better", in our estimation, we'd probably say that we think they sound the same, with perhaps the newer version sounding just a touch "thicker".
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==Pedal Manual(s)==
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* [[Media:Boss_DS-1_OwnersManual1978.pdf|Boss DS-1 Distortion Pedal Owner's Manual circa 1978]]
  
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We have posted both the schematics and the Owner's Manuals for the Made-in-Japan version of the DS-1, and the afterwards version.
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==Phase Inversion: It Depends!==
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* The Made-in-Japan version of the DS-1 '''does not invert phase'''.
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* Later versions of the DS-1 using the dual op-amp '''invert phase'''.  
  
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===Post-Japan===
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We're going to do this a little bit differently because we've never had to write up a pedal that in one incarnation kept phase, and in the other inverted phase. Here's to hoping that this format makes sense to most readers!
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Once Boss stopped making pedals in Japan and transitioned over to manufacturing in Taiwan, the architecture of the electronics changed.  Most notably, a dual-opamp was used in place of the original single TA7136.  Of course, other changes were made in resistors and capacitors in an attempt to make the pedal sound the same, but it doesn't.
 
  
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We're fairly agnostic with respect to the sound of a modern DS-1 as compared to a vintage DS-1. Speaking from personal experience, I (Zander), had a friend with a DS-1.  It was the early 1980s and I decided I wasn't going to go with that "sissy" Distortion, I was going to get an HM-2 Heavy Metal pedal! And I did... Now, while I loved the HM-2, I came to find later that it had a huge problem getting lost when you were playing in a band setting.
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Truthfully, there's not that much difference between the two. It's probably the reason they sound so similar to each other.
  
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The DS-1 doesn't seem to have this problem.
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==Schematic 1: Made-in-Japan==
  
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==Pedal Manual==
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===Distortion Circuit===
  
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Here we list the the active components in the order which the schematic indicates the instrument signal flows through them. Even if you're not familiar with reading a schematic, you should be able to see, at a basic level, how the instrument signal flows through the circuit.
  
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==Phase Inversion: Yes/No==
 
 
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! Schematic ID || Electronic Part || Action || Phase State
 
! Schematic ID || Electronic Part || Action || Phase State
 
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| X || X || X || X
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| Q1 || 2SC2240 || Does not Invert || Original
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| Q6 || 2SK30A || Does not Invert || Original
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| Q2 || 2SC2240 || Inverts || Inverted
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|-
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| IC1 || TA7136 || Inverts || Reverted
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|-
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| Q3 || 2SC732 || Does not Invert || Reverted
 
|}
 
|}
  
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==Schematic==
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===Switching Circuit===
  
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[[File:Thermionic_TemplateSchematic.png|center|frame|<div style="text-align:right">&copy; Copyright 2019, Thermionic Studios</div>]]
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; Active Components: Q4: 2SC1685, Q5: 2SC1685, Q7: 2SK30A, Q8: 2SK30A
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You'll probably notice that there are other active components in the schematic. We're not listing them because these components are part of the "popless" switching portion of the pedal. These components do not interact with any sound signal from an instrument. As a result, these parts don't have a meaningful effect in terms of inverting the signal's phase or changing or affecting the sound of the signal.
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===Single Op-Amp Schematic===
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[[File:Boss_DS-1Schematic.png|center|frame|<div style="text-align:right">Assumed Public Domain; unaware of any Copyright claims by P. Schmidt.</div>]]
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==Schematic 2: Post-Japan==
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===Distortion Circuit===
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After review, we're surprised that the engineer who created the updated version 2 of the DS-1 didn't use either pin 2 on IC1A, or pin 6 on IC1B instead so as to properly invert the signal for a second time and make sure that a non-inverted signal would be coming out of the pedal. The simplest explanation (and we're speculating) is that the issue of phase inversion was not even a consideration.
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{| class="wikitable" style="left; margin-right:20px; background-color:#eeffee;" cellpadding="10"
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|-
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! Schematic ID || Electronic Part || Action || Phase State
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|-
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| Q1 || 2SC2240 || Does not Invert || Original
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|-
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| Q6 || 2SK30A || Does not Invert || Original
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|-
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| Q2 || 2SC2240 || Inverts || Inverted
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|-
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| IC1A || M5223AL || Does not Invert || Inverted
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|-
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| IC1B || M5223AL || Does not Invert || Inverted
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|-
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| Q7 || 2SK30A || Does not Invert || Inverted
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|-
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| Q3 || 2SC732 || Does not Invert || Inverted
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|}
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===Switching Circuit===
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; Active Components: Q4: 2SC1685, Q5:  2SC1685, Q8: 2SK30A
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The main differences between the switching of the later version of the DS-1 and the MIJ is the manner of Q7 acting as a switch for turning the distortion effect on and off.
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We were going back and forth on this, and at first we thought that perhaps the more clever electronic design was on the Made-in-Japan schematic with the distorted signal NOT going through Q7. This would then, in theory, give a "purer" distortion tone. In audio amplification / effects, you typically don't want to go through more active components than you need to.
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But when we considered the same notion for the clean tone (with the idea you don't want to go through more active components than you need to) we reversed ourselves. Since each active component has the possibility of coloring your tone, the place you'd want it minimized is in your clean, not your distorted tone. Once we considered this, we all came down on the side of the Post-Japan schematic, and the clean signal not going through Q7 as the more clever electronic design.
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===Dual Op-Amp Schematic===
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[[File:Boss_DS-1Schematic2.png|center|frame|<div style="text-align:right">&copy; Copyright 2008, Muhammad Iqbal</div>]]
  
 
==Artists==
 
==Artists==
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We are currently unaware of any artists actively using the pedal now, or who have in the past.
 
 
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* Steve Vai
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* Joe Satriani
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* John Frusciante
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* Kurt Cobain
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* Gary Moore
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* Dave Navarro
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* Doug Aldrich
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* George Lynch
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* Courtney Love
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* Bruce Kulick
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* Al Cisneros
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* Trevor Rabin
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* Kyle Shutt
 
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* https://www.diystompboxes.com/DIYFiles/up/Build_Your_Own_DS-1_Distortion.pdf
 
* https://www.diystompboxes.com/DIYFiles/up/Build_Your_Own_DS-1_Distortion.pdf
 
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhTxcfcT9fU - Listen for yourself to see if there's a big difference...
 
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhTxcfcT9fU - Listen for yourself to see if there's a big difference...
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* https://equipboard.com/items/boss-ds-1-distortion-guitar-effects-pedal
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[[Category:Pedals]]
 
[[Category:Pedals]]

Latest revision as of 08:57, 19 November 2020

Boss DS-1 Distortion. Including the ProCo Rat, and the Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi, this pedal has become renown for having earned the hearts of not only aspiring rock stars, but also for well-seasoned studio musicians and professional artists.

The Boss DS-1 has gone through a couple of incarnations: the older and more highly-esteemed Made-in-Japan model, and the less-valued post-Japan model. Candidly, we don't really hear much of a difference, if any at all. After listening to a shoot-out between new and old models, many actually hear the newer DS-1 as "thicker" or "meatier" and like it better than the vintage model. We have a convenient link below for you to listen yourself.

We have an MIJ-version DS-1. Why do we have an MIJ DS-1? Not because we were on the look-out for one, but because one day we happened to see one at a Goodwill store. It was practically mint condition and the right price so we decided, "why not?"


Thermionic Studios has one(1) Boss black-label (Made-in-Japan) DS-1 available for rental.

Controls

  • Knob 1 - "Tone": Adjusts the Tone with fully clockwise allowing all the high-frequency tone information into the signal.
  • Knob 2 - "Level": Adjusts the output level with fully clockwise full loudness.
  • Knob 3 - "Dist": Adjusts the distortion level with fully clockwise being maximum distortion.
  • Footswitch 1 - "On/Off": This footswitch toggles the pedal between engaged/active ("On"), and bypassed ("Off")

Bypass: Buffered

The DS-1, like all Boss pedals, has a buffered bypass.

General Information

First offered for sale in 1978, the DS-1 Distortion was a follow-up to the Red-Yellow-Green pedal "marketing release" of the Boss SP-1 Spectrum (red), the OD-1 Overdrive (yellow), and the PH-1 Phaser (green).

Originally, the DS-1 was well received and today it continues to be a consistent, if much cheaper, seller for Boss. By contrast, none of the originally-conceived red-yellow-green pedals are even made or sold any longer. The SP-1 was killed off; and the OD-1 and PH-1 have been re-imagined into new pedals by Boss.

We have posted both versions of the schematics and the Owner's Manuals of the DS-1:

  • The Made-in-Japan version
  • The "Subsequent" version

Post-Japan Manufacturing

Once Boss stopped making pedals in Japan and transitioned over to manufacturing in Taiwan, the architecture of the electronics changed. Most notably, a dual-opamp was used in place of the original single TA7136. Of course, other changes were made in resistors and capacitors in the effort to make the pedal sound the same. We think Boss did a pretty good job.

So, we're fairly agnostic with respect to the sound of a modern DS-1 as compared to a vintage DS-1. We don't hear much of a difference, if any at all. If we were forced to offer an opinion on which pedal sounds "better", in our estimation, we'd probably say that we think they sound the same, with perhaps the newer version sounding just a touch "thicker".

Pedal Manual(s)

Phase Inversion: It Depends!

  • The Made-in-Japan version of the DS-1 does not invert phase.
  • Later versions of the DS-1 using the dual op-amp invert phase.

We're going to do this a little bit differently because we've never had to write up a pedal that in one incarnation kept phase, and in the other inverted phase. Here's to hoping that this format makes sense to most readers!

Truthfully, there's not that much difference between the two. It's probably the reason they sound so similar to each other.

Schematic 1: Made-in-Japan

Distortion Circuit

Here we list the the active components in the order which the schematic indicates the instrument signal flows through them. Even if you're not familiar with reading a schematic, you should be able to see, at a basic level, how the instrument signal flows through the circuit.

Schematic ID Electronic Part Action Phase State
Q1 2SC2240 Does not Invert Original
Q6 2SK30A Does not Invert Original
Q2 2SC2240 Inverts Inverted
IC1 TA7136 Inverts Reverted
Q3 2SC732 Does not Invert Reverted

Switching Circuit

Active Components
Q4: 2SC1685, Q5: 2SC1685, Q7: 2SK30A, Q8: 2SK30A

You'll probably notice that there are other active components in the schematic. We're not listing them because these components are part of the "popless" switching portion of the pedal. These components do not interact with any sound signal from an instrument. As a result, these parts don't have a meaningful effect in terms of inverting the signal's phase or changing or affecting the sound of the signal.

Single Op-Amp Schematic

Assumed Public Domain; unaware of any Copyright claims by P. Schmidt.

Schematic 2: Post-Japan

Distortion Circuit

After review, we're surprised that the engineer who created the updated version 2 of the DS-1 didn't use either pin 2 on IC1A, or pin 6 on IC1B instead so as to properly invert the signal for a second time and make sure that a non-inverted signal would be coming out of the pedal. The simplest explanation (and we're speculating) is that the issue of phase inversion was not even a consideration.

Schematic ID Electronic Part Action Phase State
Q1 2SC2240 Does not Invert Original
Q6 2SK30A Does not Invert Original
Q2 2SC2240 Inverts Inverted
IC1A M5223AL Does not Invert Inverted
IC1B M5223AL Does not Invert Inverted
Q7 2SK30A Does not Invert Inverted
Q3 2SC732 Does not Invert Inverted

Switching Circuit

Active Components
Q4: 2SC1685, Q5: 2SC1685, Q8: 2SK30A

The main differences between the switching of the later version of the DS-1 and the MIJ is the manner of Q7 acting as a switch for turning the distortion effect on and off.

We were going back and forth on this, and at first we thought that perhaps the more clever electronic design was on the Made-in-Japan schematic with the distorted signal NOT going through Q7. This would then, in theory, give a "purer" distortion tone. In audio amplification / effects, you typically don't want to go through more active components than you need to.

But when we considered the same notion for the clean tone (with the idea you don't want to go through more active components than you need to) we reversed ourselves. Since each active component has the possibility of coloring your tone, the place you'd want it minimized is in your clean, not your distorted tone. Once we considered this, we all came down on the side of the Post-Japan schematic, and the clean signal not going through Q7 as the more clever electronic design.

Dual Op-Amp Schematic

© Copyright 2008, Muhammad Iqbal

Artists

  • Steve Vai
  • Joe Satriani
  • John Frusciante
  • Kurt Cobain
  • Gary Moore
  • Dave Navarro
  • Doug Aldrich
  • George Lynch
  • Courtney Love
  • Bruce Kulick
  • Al Cisneros
  • Trevor Rabin
  • Kyle Shutt


Additional Sources
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